Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). John MacArthur. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. I will reply to them briefly. It happens. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Simply not true. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. You are just exporting your own. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. ", "What is dispensationalism? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Is this success? The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! Legal Statement. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Conclusion: And now I wait. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. I hope this mature and open enough for you! There's some really helpful information in there. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. What a waste of a fantastic talent. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. Because your worth it! LOL! A point you also mentioned. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. If that is the last word then so be it. I find this very revealing. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Matt. Really? Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. I dont do stock answers. And they aint all wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Paragraph. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. See what mine own hands have wrought. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Regards. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. Opinion Mark Wingfield. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Can I suggest an alternative standard? David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. (John MacArthur). As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. What is there to apologise for? MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! . [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. 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