And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. There's a lot of black and white thinking happening right now. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? Well, we'll have to discontinue the experiment then. That's it? Alex Haslam, professor of psychology at the University of Exeter. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we if they're worthwhile doing, they're not always easy. I mean, that was make believe. SciShow Tangents Episode Discussion: The Bad Show. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents to good [inaudible 00:12:29] and plumbers. They're not doing something because they have to. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. Again, it's a pretty big thing to miss. Of course normally just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. 65%-, to shock their fellow citizens over and over again-. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. "It's okay to admit this, you need to admit this.". So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. Obviously no need to be alarmed. He travels to the front. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. And to make the problem even more annoying. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. Let's begin with this story from our producer, Pat Walters. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. He would deny things, he would obscure, he would dance around things. You mean they're looking at 20 million people going hungry? He's bad. I can't quite place him-. We just got to get ov- get out of it where-. And then he just trails off. WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. But this was a moment in German history, he says, when Jews had a decent amount of freedom. This is sort of chilling comparison, which is a speed that Himmler gave to the SS, some SS leaders, when they were, uh, about to commit a range of atrocities. I'll give you bad. Yeah. Just tiptoes out, just from time to time. Yeah. And you tell us, "Actually, you know under some circumstances, we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because, here's another flip, we don't have to be told. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. Meaning, I mean, what- what- any idea what was in his mind? And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. All rights reserved. Yes, it's awesome. But what if something's happened to the man. Transcript. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts Kittens Kick The Giggly Blue Robot All Summer 2.7K views over 2 years ago 41:58 With the recent passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, there's been a lot of debate about how much power the Supreme Court should really have. And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. Especially when it came to one particular fact. Well, there's something distasteful about the fact that he was too into it, but I do think on some level you have to divorce the man from his deeds. Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. I left him, went home. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. Like, how do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Podcast Transcripts of Radiolab Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. He was t- very aggressive. With my arm. There's a pause and my father just says-. You know [crosstalk 00:10:58]. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. When you call someone, "Evil." Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. I don't know that you could entirely call him bad, I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good, to be honest. But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Yeah let's . About; Blog; Projects; Help; Donate An illustration of a heart shape . And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. And, you know, my view about human nature is that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? Well, I'd have to discontinue the experimenter then. Wow. You know, he takes over leadership in this institution in Berlin and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. "I need to kill because of that." You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this. And, "Well why the rage?" It makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe, so it's very-. They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Okay. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. I think I call it [prince-nez 00:28:23], so I'm not sure. You wouldn't though, would you really? Before the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess, "I heartily regret the fact that I killed the young maiden or defamed the king." That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. You know, I'm really proud of Job. He even schemes against his own wife. He just kind of went crazy. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. I got it in front of me, I've just got the data from the Milgram study. And then, she said, "I actually did this. Okay. I don't know, I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed, I-. Hi, this is Lauren from Winnipeg. Really? He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty-, Saying, "You know the process that I used to make food? Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. So, I broke up with him. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. She was good to- she was good to me. Would you really? He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen, he just kind of went crazy, he had snapped; and almost blaming the victims. What's the noble cause in this case? He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. In any case-. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Finally acknowledging, "Yeah, that's true." Necrophilia. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. He could have never imagined that. Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. No. Nobody had done what he was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk. And then, realized that he had to leave the house or he was going to do damage to her. And so, I ex- expanded the sample where we asked about 5000 people. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. And especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. Despite the chlorine gas, he didn't intend for that to happen. And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? The general's name is Othello. So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. And, um, why is it so important do you think to understand the why behind such an evil act? An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Wow. 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